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The Art of Handcrafting Custom Game Calls => Handcrafting Custom Turkey Calls => Turkey Call Making Tutorials => Topic started by: Jason at JTCCalls, on March 15, 2012, 05:32:24 PM
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I have no idea what i am doing wrong but about 90 percent of calls made don't sounds right. I am not getting the 2 tone break in my yelps.
My distance from toneboard to playing surface is between 1/8 and 3/16.
Does the pedestal over all diameter matter? Does the thickness of the pedestal matter?
My Pedestal is about 1/4 tall.
My playing surface ledge is between 1/8 and 3/16
I can make 2 calls that i think look and feel identical with dimensions and i cannot get the sound. I am getting really discouraged and do not know what to do at all.
Any advice would help.
Jason
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I know what you mean, I gotta get some time planned to get mine over to KC to look at it. Its just not "right". Sounds like a turkey but it doesn't sound like what i think it should. You could always mail them to him and have him take a look! :devil2:
your dimensions sound exactly like mine (i don't measure when i make them but its really really close on all of them)
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I have a birdseye and a marado call i made and my buddy who is a pro caller said they were great sounding, unfortunately the other 12 that are almost identical inside sound dead. Great clucks and purrs, but the yelp is flat. no rollover at all. I know there is something that will change it but i cannot for the life of figure it out.
Jason
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Post some pics lets see em it might be something as simple as the space between your surface and the edge of the pot. But yes diameter of your pedistal plays in. How are you holding your surface in place? Sometimes to much presure is not good i just use a decent size can of soup. Also how deep is the inside of your pot? Theres alot of factors that could be playing the part all together along with your SB positioning. If the sb is touching any part of the inside of the pot its dead.
Adam
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The pedestal's overall width does matter. I would not exceed 1-1/4" overall diameter. Walls about 3/16" thick, maybe a tad bit more. Slate surface ledge not to exceed 1/8" worth of bearing/contact surface.
If you want, mail me one. I'll pick it apart for you. :devil2: Franchifowler....Dude you work 1/4 mile from my house. Just call and stop by!
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Shorten the distance of the SB be consistent with that. 1/16 to 3/32 and no more!
Pedestal less than a 1" in dia and don't worry about the thickness of the side walls or pot bottom unless your talking 3" :hysterical:
:2:
Larry
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I know! maybe Jason will mail you a call and we'll have a what the heck are we doing wrong party :eek:
Justin
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I think the next pot i make is going straight in the mail to KC for his thoughts.
Jason
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I'll do what I can to help you bud. Just holler at me whenever.
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Here is a top down picture of my call guts.
Pedestal Height 1/4
Pedestal Over Diamers 1 3/4
Pedestal Inside Diameter 1 7/16
Pedestal wall thickness 5/32
Soundboard to playing surface distance 1/8
Overall Call Height 11/16
Overall call Diameter 3 11/16
Playing Surface ledge width 1/8
Sound Holes Diameter
Middle 3/4
Outside 1/2
Bottom Thickness Center hole 1/8
Bottom thickness Sound Hole: Inside 1/16
Bottom thickness Sound Hole: outside 5/32
Playing Surface Slate
Diameter 3 15/32
Soundboard Glass
Diameter 2 31/32
(http://i1129.photobucket.com/albums/m512/tremperje/IMAG0091.jpg)
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Pedistal is to big imo. I use to do the same thing. Try 7/8 the thiner you go the more rasp your pedistal might be the route of your problem i think. Your sound board height should be half the thickness in distance from the pot surface. Thats my thoughts at a glance of your measurements
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Also what is the overall inside depth of your pot
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The inside depth varies since i taper form from the outside toward the middle.
You are saying the distance from the top of the soundboard to the bottom of the playing surface should be 1/16?
You are also saying the overall width of my pedestal should be 7/8. My middle sound hole is already 3/4, that doesn't leave much for the pedestal thickness
Jason
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Guess I'll say it again.
Shorten the distance of the SB top to the playing surface bottom be consistent with that. 1/16 to 3/32 and no more!
Pedestal less than a 1" in dia and don't worry about the thickness of the side walls or pot bottom unless your talking 3" thickness :hysterical:
:2:
Larry
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How deep is your pot from the ledge that your surface sets on to the bottom of the call at the side of the call?
Larry
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Depth from playing surface ledge to beginning of bottom is 5/16.
Sorry, i missed read the distance from soundboard to playing surface. I will adjust to 1/16 on the next one.
Jason
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OK Your depth is good make the ped smaller dia and shorten the SB distance and you should be there!
Larry
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Ok, i made another with some adjustments made from comments and suggestions. More advice is welcome as always
Pedestal Height 9/32
Pedestal Over Diamers 1 9/16
Pedestal Inside Diameter 1 7/32
Pedestal wall thickness 3/16
Soundboard to playing surface distance 1/16
Overall Call Height 3/4
Overall call Diameter 3 23/32
Playing Surface ledge width 1/16
Sound Holes Diameter
Middle 3/4
Outside 1/2
Bottom Thickness Center hole 3/16
Bottom thickness Sound Hole: Inside 3/16
Interior height 13/32
Playing Surface Slate
Diameter 3 1/2
Soundboard Glass
Diameter 2 31/32
(http://i1129.photobucket.com/albums/m512/tremperje/IMAG0095.jpg)
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You still have to shrink the diameter of that pedestal.
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Make the I/D of your pedistal 7/8" or 1". Keep it the same thickness.
:D I see now you've been told that a couple times. Whoops. :D
Parker
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Thanks Parker.
jason
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I agree 100% with these guys on the pedestal diameter. Make your pedestal 1" ID with 1/8" thick walls. Shoot for a max of 1 1/4" OD on your pedestal. Anything bigger and the call will be dead. I find it a little harder to get good rasp out of slate vs. aluminum or glass so on your slate calls you could even step it down to as little as 3/4" ID. Just my :2:
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Thanks guys. I appreciate all the help.
Jason
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:D Go make us another pot! :D
And seriously though.....drop the glass soundboard in this time, and center it where you would glue it. Take the photo to where we can see the spacing around the soundboard from above (watch so the glass doesn't flash back at the cam), AND another photo see where it sits in comparison to where it gets up towards the striking surface.
:rockon:
Parker
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I just want to chime in here and say :thanks: to all of you that have put in your input in this thread. I stayed up till 1 am last night doing exactly what larry said to my pedestal size and distance. I made 2 pots and they sound terrific. :thanks:
Brad
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I will let you all know in about 2 hours when my goop sets on my latest pot with the adjustments made form this thread. I can't wait to hear what it sounds like. Then i can start focusing on design instead of sound.
Jason
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I just tested my newly created call and after 30 minutes playing with multiple strikers, i think i all your help has allowed me to make a call that actually sounds like a turkey. Now it has to pass my friends calling test, once it does, WATCH OUT!
:thanks: :thanks: :thanks:
Jason
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Another thread with great specifics. Bump and a move to the tutorials. Thanks to JTC for working so specifically on his experimenting, and Larry for helping with his specific thoughts.
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I know this thread was created a year ago but I just wanted to say it has been one of the most helpful to me. :thanks: