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Re: De-mystifying the duck whistle
« Reply #15 on: July 03, 2011, 02:38:16 PM »
And I threw out 23 $s for mine :mad:! Buying local= buying expensive. I wish I could do a carved call... but I'm not sure how to even approach it... It's more like relief carving and I've never even tried that before, nor do I have the right tools. Maybe I'll get to it one day but time is precious right now :hysterical: I'll figure how to put some carving in soon though... not too crazy but a little... :stuart:
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Re: De-mystifying the duck whistle
« Reply #16 on: July 03, 2011, 04:52:39 PM »
They were a LOT easier to find on FleaBay when I put in "countersink" rather than "chamfer".  I picked mine up on there just now for $10.95 including shipping.

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Re: De-mystifying the duck whistle
« Reply #17 on: July 03, 2011, 04:57:29 PM »
I was thinking that my chamfering bit was a 90 degree, but I'm starting to wonder if it is an 82 degree, 3/4" diameter.  I'll confirm that when I can. 

I've also used a similarly shaped router bit for this task, chucked in the drill and ran at high speed.  I know for a fact it was 90 degrees. 

Both work ok.  The router bit has a little more tendency to chatter though. 

Wouldn't a 90* bit be a drill bit?  :huh:

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Re: De-mystifying the duck whistle
« Reply #18 on: July 03, 2011, 09:41:02 PM »
That's what I was thinking too, along the lines of a spiral router bit.  But, I don't know anything about that kind of stuff, so I kept my trap shut.   :wav1:

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Re: De-mystifying the duck whistle
« Reply #19 on: July 03, 2011, 10:06:06 PM »
If the angles right and the bit is big enough I don't see why you couldn't do it with a bit. 

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Re: De-mystifying the duck whistle
« Reply #20 on: July 04, 2011, 01:38:52 AM »
If the angles right and the bit is big enough I don't see why you couldn't do it with a bit. 

What we're saying really is, we don't understand where the degree measurement is coming from.  90 degrees off of a downward bit to me, would mean you would be getting a flat surface.   :huh:

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Re: De-mystifying the duck whistle
« Reply #21 on: July 04, 2011, 01:56:01 AM »
A 90 degree bit yields a 45 degree angle on the sides of the hole.  My 82 degree bit gives 41 degree angles.

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Re: De-mystifying the duck whistle
« Reply #22 on: July 08, 2011, 12:15:32 AM »
They were a LOT easier to find on FleaBay when I put in "countersink" rather than "chamfer".  I picked mine up on there just now for $10.95 including shipping.

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This product came today.  Quick, fast shipping, and looks like what I'm going to need to get the job done 'on the cheap'.

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Re: De-mystifying the duck whistle
« Reply #23 on: July 09, 2011, 01:13:41 AM »
This is a g reat post. I've made hundreds of whistles similar to this, but patterned after the older Iverson whistles.  The only functional difference is that your wedge is recessed and I'm thinking easier for some to use.  I like your comment about the sharpness of the hole edge too.  That is certainly key.

I've always used a drill bit, with a dowel inside to prevent tearout, then used the chamfer bit to clean things up, but I'm going to try your way this weekend.

Are you sure that the hole depth doesn't matter?  ie: the distance from the second hole to t he end of the bore?  It changes tone for me, if it is too deep.

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Re: De-mystifying the duck whistle
« Reply #24 on: July 11, 2011, 12:03:55 AM »
Pete I guess I can't say with 100% certainty that the distance between the 2nd hole and the end of the bore doesn't matter, but I can tell you that I don't pay too much attention to it on mine.  I usually drill the bore deep enough to easily clear the 2nd hole.  On mine, I run that 7/32" or 1/4" bit all the way through that end of the whistle to allow me to use the expanding mandrel, so you could say that mine are drilled all the way through!  When you plug that hole with your finger there is a very subtle difference in sound, but not anything that makes the sound better or worse. 

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Re: De-mystifying the duck whistle
« Reply #25 on: July 11, 2011, 12:14:32 AM »
KCT, I don't drill all the way thought on some calls I make, and I still use the expanding mandrel. I just tighten the mandrel up so when I must force the call on. Not so much to split the call, but so it is kinda tight. I then run the tailstock up and it's good to turn. Just a thought.
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Re: De-mystifying the duck whistle
« Reply #26 on: July 11, 2011, 11:12:16 AM »
Awesome tutorial Aaron!  I still make them this way. I have started making a few of them with a 5/8" bore, open ended, single hole.  They work and sound just as good and with a little less work!

They are fun to make, easy to do, and you can make most of them with scraps and cut-offs!  I do like the bit you are using.... I am going to get a couple.  I was drilling a 1/4" hole and beveling it out.  Your holes look much cleaner then those I have made.

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Re: De-mystifying the duck whistle
« Reply #27 on: July 11, 2011, 01:04:45 PM »
5/8" bore, open ended, single hole.

 :huh:  You've got my interest.

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Re: De-mystifying the duck whistle
« Reply #28 on: July 11, 2011, 02:09:22 PM »
I'm sure if everything is proportioned right you could absolutely have great luck with 5/8" bore.  Might have to try that myself just for grins.

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Re: De-mystifying the duck whistle
« Reply #29 on: July 11, 2011, 05:04:45 PM »
I want to figure out how to do a 1 1/2" keg with a small mouth piece from one end to make an owl hooter out of this type of method!

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