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The Art of Handcrafting Custom Game Calls => General Call Making Discussions => Topic started by: s wuebber on January 28, 2018, 07:50:25 PM

Title: Wedges Goose guts
Post by: s wuebber on January 28, 2018, 07:50:25 PM
I’ve ordered several different guts from a few different suppliers. Depending on the tolerance to 5/8 for bore. I find one set of guts may too small, one too big and one just right (Goldilocks syndrome).
 I’m experimenting with making my own wedges so I can use any set of guts, if too tight I can sand the wedge that came with the guts, but don’t want to alter the wedge unless that set of guts is going to give me the sound I want in a specific call.
 What methods does the experienced call builder use in fitting guts?
Title: Re: Wedges Goose guts
Post by: s wuebber on February 01, 2018, 09:23:35 PM
Well, no responses... yikes, is this forum still active or is the answer to my question so obvious no one will respond.
 What im doing now is I’ve made some long wedges tapered approx 1.5 degrees. Set them in the insert and cut them off front and back to get a good length. Right now the wedges are birch with CA. I will order some Delrin soon to make them.
Title: Re: Wedges Goose guts
Post by: FDR on February 02, 2018, 08:32:00 AM
Welcome to the forum!  Yes the forum is active. I would answer your question but I don't make goose calls. I am also surprised that someone has not answered.

No question is too simple! Someone who can help will eventually see your post.


Fred
Title: Re: Wedges Goose guts
Post by: s wuebber on February 02, 2018, 09:55:06 AM
Fred, Thanks for your reply.
Title: Re: Wedges Goose guts
Post by: LagrueCustomCalls on February 02, 2018, 11:23:31 PM
I only make speck goose calls, but those that I do, I make with a matching guts and gutsert. By doing that, everything matches.
Title: Re: Wedges Goose guts
Post by: ben on February 03, 2018, 03:20:04 PM
I also could not help as I do not make goose calls , but welcome anyway and keep posting.

ben
Title: Re: Wedges Goose guts
Post by: s wuebber on February 03, 2018, 08:44:35 PM
Lagrue, I haven’t yet begun to fabricate my own guts, but am modifying purchased ones, everything else on the calls is from my own hands.
 Ben, I  Have a few duck inserts that I’ve been working on, not quite what I want yet. Soaked one in Tung Oil, spar and turpentine, waiting for it to dry before I continue to tune it. I figure it was best to get some finish on the wood, before completing the tuning.
 
Title: Re: Wedges Goose guts
Post by: ben on February 03, 2018, 09:04:07 PM
Personally I do not put finish on a tone board. At most maybe some boiled linseed oil and let it completely dry and a light sand on it to take the fuzz off and this would be on more soft or porous wood as the more dense wood or any oily wood does not need it. I think a finish creates more problem than it helps.

ben
Title: Re: Wedges Goose guts
Post by: stumpjumper on February 04, 2018, 09:05:59 AM
 Build  your own gut.  Problem solved

Stump
Title: Re: Wedges Goose guts
Post by: B Hoover on February 04, 2018, 07:51:03 PM
S, from what I'm understanding you are wanting a wedge that will fit ALL guts on the market.  The issue with one wedge is not the distance between the flat surface and the outside radius, but rather the starting diameter of the wedge itself.  As you stated, guts come in different diameters.  If you make the wedge in a .615" diameter and try to match it with a gut that is .625" you will end up with a small gap around the sides of the wedge.  That dead air will require you to use more air to start the reed vibration.  It also only holds the gut in the gutsert with the top surface of the wedge rather than the entire outside surface of the wedge.  There is, in my opinion, a higher chance of the wedge slipping or falling out.  If you make different diameter wedges for each diameter gut you will probably be more successful.  I applaud you for experimenting with the guts to try to find the sound you are after.  One other thing to remember, how far the gut seats into the gutsert will change how the call sounds and operates.  It's been said on here countless times, but whoever coined the phrase is right on - Everything affects everything.  Good luck and please keep us posted on your progress.
Title: Re: Wedges Goose guts
Post by: s wuebber on February 05, 2018, 03:01:08 PM
Yes, am wondering what others do when fitting various guts.
 In some cases the wedge is not big enough to hold the reed. I’ve added a piece of tape to the wedge as a temporary measure. But I think having a few extra wedges that are long enough that they can be cut to length after “wedging them in place” makes sense. Instead of building the tone board and wedge, in this case building only the wedge.
I’m not convinced that the difference between .625 and .610 wedges will contribute to noticeable differences in running a short reed goose call.

Cupped Wings,

Scott