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The Art of Handcrafting Custom Game Calls => Handcrafting Custom Goose Calls => Topic started by: DanNolen on February 04, 2016, 04:03:44 PM
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hey guys, ive checked the forum and cannot find anything...does anyone know of any tutorials on making your own guts? I would like to give it a go... any help is appreciated, thanks...
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i should note, i found a post stating that there was a tutorial for short reed goose guts...however, i cant seem to find the post he is talking about..
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http://thogamecallsforums.com/index.php/topic,18897.msg142905.html#msg142905
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Thank you David :bigup:
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Do guys follow the same procedure with goose calls as with duck calls?
What I mean is; do most guys come up with their own short reed guts, and send off to have a jig made that replicates their guts? Or do they come up with their own short reed guts, and then send off and have molded copies made?
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Most people never make customs.
If they do get that far... It really depends. I have seen both, but sending it off for molding is probably more common.
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Thanks David, I wondered if most people ran other gut designs...
Does Wade @webfoot do molds of original guts ?
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I think off hand, that would be the way to go....it is still a sound and design unique to you, but you have the ease of sticking in molded inserts
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This tutorial was a big push to help me make the jump into making my own. My process is not the same it helped. As of now I still handcut everyset of guts I put in a call but in the process of having them molded. Feel free to message me with any questions.
Levi
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Thanks Levi!
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Thanks David, I wondered if most people ran other gut designs...
Does Wade @webfoot do molds of original guts ?
I dont do any molding. Gut jigs, yes (using the style jig that Joe Kolter showed me and said I could continue using) - but I had a short stint toying with cast molding back maybe 2004-5? , and just didnt have the time or desire to get into it further or keep at it. And now, since, more and more have gotten into it (some as a business), I dont plan on getting back into it for anything other than my own personal use, if I even get back into to it ever.
I can see for those wanting large quantities of guts, a jig, some ingenuity, and a CNC run of gut blanks could be a fast way to get things done... Not as fast as full CNC run of guts, but less expensive since the milling cost isnt there. It would also allow one to use what ever material they wanted... where as for me, I wont do anything but plastics and soft metals in my machines presently.
Wade
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PS
Its great to see people working on or wanting to work on their own guts. Ive honestly been surprised more people dont.
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Thanks for the comment Wade. You made my mallard jig for me, and I love the way it turned out. Would the goose jig be the same essential idea and process as the duck call jig? The style your talking about (the Joe Kolter style) , Is this abnormal from other guts all together? or is it just the way the jig is made? im curious as to how the jig works with the wedge and such....I'll try getting on your website and seeing if i can find some pictures
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Levi, I sent you a message....(i think) haha, i hardly ever use the messaging system on here.
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Thanks for the comment Wade. You made my mallard jig for me, and I love the way it turned out. Would the goose jig be the same essential idea and process as the duck call jig? The style your talking about (the Joe Kolter style) , Is this abnormal from other guts all together? or is it just the way the jig is made? im curious as to how the jig works with the wedge and such....I'll try getting on your website and seeing if i can find some pictures
Different style of jig than the duck jig... holds the blank in a completely different way (clamps the ends - no set screw on the side)
Id imagine by the time you read this youll have found the goose gut jigs on the website and already found your answer... and maybe some more questions :D
Wade
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thanks wade, i actually haven't gotten to it yet..but i still have your email....if its okay, after i look at the website i might email you with any more questions i could have.
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Also found this
http://thogamecallsforums.com/index.php?topic=20124.0
The jig holds the blanks from the ends - the end clamp pushes the blank into the body of the jig, and you file down to the top surface... a little ingenuity and Id guess one could come up with some really fast ways to process guts off of a jig of this style.
Wade
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Dan this is something many guys don't attempt to do. But once you get a set of guts and reed to honk. you will be very satisfied.
Last august (2015) I finally made up my mind to build my own guts and hand cut reed. I do follow Bob's process for the most part. Levi is a great source of info. He has let me bounce some thoughts off him. I am far from an expert but if I could help let me know.
I did make my own jig, this is a picture or #1 and I them made a 2nd one with a couple changes, and after I ground to much of a ramp on #1. :oops: I have made a jig to help cut the wedges consistently but have not had time to make a set of guts to see how it worked. it just a piece of steel with a 5/8" hole drilled and cut about half the dia. of the hole off.
I have considered buying some reeds and using those but I keep thinking are they really my guts then? It would help the learning curve I am sure, but that is half the fun. :wacko: :wacko:
(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5693/20643260409_23cbf47a7c_z_d.jpg)
Have fun, take your time, you will enjoy it.
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That is slick Ron! I had thought about making a jig, but wondered how to hold the tone board without risking damage to the ends (clamping lengthwise). That solves that issue.
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Dan I sent you a PM so all you have to do is look at the top of the page and says my messages. Click on that and then you can reply to it.
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Here as little bit of how I do it.
(http://i568.photobucket.com/albums/ss124/wingtamercalls/calls/9ED0A540-F667-4BBC-9EE0-3A1A28221DA4_zpsceeb9buw.jpg) (http://s568.photobucket.com/user/wingtamercalls/media/calls/9ED0A540-F667-4BBC-9EE0-3A1A28221DA4_zpsceeb9buw.jpg.html)
(http://i568.photobucket.com/albums/ss124/wingtamercalls/calls/9212CAAC-5652-4264-A9AE-03BEF25330BD_zpsznrpqzbd.jpg) (http://s568.photobucket.com/user/wingtamercalls/media/calls/9212CAAC-5652-4264-A9AE-03BEF25330BD_zpsznrpqzbd.jpg.html)
(http://i568.photobucket.com/albums/ss124/wingtamercalls/calls/7EDDA6CD-9258-4086-B16B-CCB294B31C45_zpsf00jtuih.jpg) (http://s568.photobucket.com/user/wingtamercalls/media/calls/7EDDA6CD-9258-4086-B16B-CCB294B31C45_zpsf00jtuih.jpg.html)
(http://i568.photobucket.com/albums/ss124/wingtamercalls/calls/DFD83BD7-C63A-488D-913F-2AA8EE8FF491_zpsudhcnddk.jpg) (http://s568.photobucket.com/user/wingtamercalls/media/calls/DFD83BD7-C63A-488D-913F-2AA8EE8FF491_zpsudhcnddk.jpg.html)
(http://i568.photobucket.com/albums/ss124/wingtamercalls/calls/A78C7372-A575-4CC8-A663-9930C65F47A4_zpsj9osnxme.jpg) (http://s568.photobucket.com/user/wingtamercalls/media/calls/A78C7372-A575-4CC8-A663-9930C65F47A4_zpsj9osnxme.jpg.html)
(http://i568.photobucket.com/albums/ss124/wingtamercalls/calls/80B1905A-12DE-4D7C-BDB2-82FB264F3715_zpswffthwz6.jpg) (http://s568.photobucket.com/user/wingtamercalls/media/calls/80B1905A-12DE-4D7C-BDB2-82FB264F3715_zpswffthwz6.jpg.html)
(http://i568.photobucket.com/albums/ss124/wingtamercalls/calls/808DF3BE-0F16-424D-A83D-8815615B7DA2_zpsmawh1hss.jpg) (http://s568.photobucket.com/user/wingtamercalls/media/calls/808DF3BE-0F16-424D-A83D-8815615B7DA2_zpsmawh1hss.jpg.html)
The jig is one I designed and made myself.
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Wow!
Ron and Levi, thank you both for the pictures and help. Ron, you said your jig aided in cutting the wedge? Could you explain a little more about that. I see clearly now how you clamp and hold the actual gut piece. This looks like a good time! Ron, with the reeds being hand cut, are you able to keep that "exact" curvature of the rim ? Or are you using a punch system or something for that? I saw that wade makes punches for reeds....Levi, does your jig allow for cutting the correct angle on your wedge? And thank you again for the step by step pictures of the process.
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Wow!
Ron and Levi, thank you both for the pictures and help.
Ron, you said your jig aided in cutting the wedge?
I made another jig to cut the wedges. I will try to get a pic of it for you tonight. it is a different jig, than the one pictured.
[/quote] This looks like a good time! Ron, with the reeds being hand cut, are you able to keep that "exact" curvature of the rim ? Or are you using a punch system or something for that? I saw that wade makes punches for reeds[/quote]
I am using .014 mylar from River Mallard. I used this round rule to draw the tip of the reed on the mylar. Cut the reed it out with scissors and use a nail file (emery board) to clean up the edge of the reed cuts and taper the corners back some. I traced a couple of good ones on a board and use a pattern to cut the next ones. A bit crude but I get there.
if I ever achiever the perfect reed I may make a pattern from some shim stock and use a exacto knife to cut. Who knows what will really happen. :wacko: :wacko:
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1694/24777102472_d99d227638_z_d.jpg)
Good luck
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here is my wedge jig. I drill a 5/8 blind hole and cut off part of the hole.
trim to length
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1601/24797192442_e7b849a11a_z_d.jpg)
turn on its side and push the material in towards bottom of hole to help hold in place. I do rest a push stick on the material to keep fingers away
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1451/24915158045_c054d88701_z_d.jpg)
Cut wedge will need some sanding to get it to fit correctly
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1631/24288284073_efee5233ff_z_d.jpg)
Have fun and be safe
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Thanks Ron! these pictures are great!