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The Art of Handcrafting Custom Game Calls => Handcrafting Custom Turkey Calls => Topic started by: K. RUGE on April 26, 2014, 08:04:59 PM
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IVE NOTICED THAT THE AVERAGE THICKNESS OF THE SOUND BOARDS ARE 1/8" THICK HAS ANYBODY EVER TRIED A DIFFERENT THICKNESS
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Pot call soundboards are usually a thickness of glass, slate aluminum or a similar thickness of wood. In wood you might have a little flexibility there but I would say that you definitely don't want to go thicker with most of those materials. The whole idea is for that board to resonate, and a thicker piece will not resonate as well as a thinner piece.
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Yep, if you want to play around, go thinner. Thicker will deaden the call for a couple reasons.
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I have been playing with this lately. Using double sound boards and you can make a awesome sounding glass call using double thickness sound boards. There are a few things that have to be done to get it to work right and I plan to make a tutorial of it as time permits. Couple things. Deeper pot, more holes, bigger holes than I normally do, and the pedestal has to be just right. The distance under the call surface for the sound board has to remain the same as with a single thickness.
Larry
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Double sound boards as in two?? Or they're just twice as thick?
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I glued 2 sound boards together. I tried different things. What worked the best for sound was a striking surface of 3 1/4" glass and glass sound boards 2 3/4" dia glued together. A inside pot depth of 1/2" from the bottom of the striking surface to the inside bottom of the pot. Pedestal diameter of 3/4" . Distance between the bottom of the striking surface to the top of the sound board was 3/32"s worked best. I tried doing a 2 1/2" glued to a 2 3/4" sound board and I don't like it. I tried a 2 3/4 glued to a 2 7/8" sound board didn't like it. The best sounding one which I have 2 of was the 2 3/4" glued to the 2 3/4" sound board. It came out perfect but you need to use the 3 1/4" striking surface.
Larry
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THANKS , IM THINKING ABOUT GETTING SOME GLASS THATS 1/16" THICK I DIDNT THINK GOING THICK WOOD BE A GOOD THING , I WAS GOING TO GET A BUNCH TO MAKE IT WORTH THE SHIPPING SO , THATS WHY IM ASKING , DIDNT WANT TO HAVE A BIG WASTE , SOOOO DO YA THINK
1/16" WOOD BE OK , THANKS FOR THE GREAT HELP ....
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Years ago I bought up a bunch of thin stuff and have used them up and could not tell them from the 1/8" stuff as far as the sound goes.
Larry
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Larry how are you gluing the 2 soundboards together?
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Goop and a spring clamp not much goop though.
Larry
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10-4 Thanks
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IF THICKER IS LESS SOUND , HOW CAN TWO SOUND BOARDS PUT TOGETHER AS A DOUBLE AND SOUND OK , IM CONFUSED A LITTLE ON THIS . Thanks
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At some point in time you have to get the materials and make some calls and figure it out. I can only do so much for you. What I do is have a goal in place. My goal was to make a call with exceptional sound that had a double sound board. And that's what I did. I started making pots 3.5" and 3.25 and 3.0. The 3.25"'won. It's as easy as that. Make the pots different depths pedasts different dia. and distances from sound board to striking surface. Record every move you make. Yep it's gonna cost you some money as it has cost me but I saved you all some nonbelievers get your wallets out.
Larry
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Larry nows his chit :beer:
If I could get another day in his shop I would, I obviously am a bad student because I can get close with my notes but Larry has turkey magic :hunter1:
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Think of it like a musical instrument. None are made without a lot of thought and using well known factors. The woods are carefully chosen, the thicknesses are a known factor on what quality of sound they produce. For example African Blackwood for the best of the clarinets, not just any piece of ABW, but the best pieces are used. Ever seen one made out of another wood? Maple for violins, again only the best is used by the professionals. They know the exact thickness to plane the wood to produce the "perfect" sound.
The same applies to most callmaking. The standards have been researched and researched over the years for how they are made, what are the best woods to use for what "instrument" you are working on. There has been countless hours of research spent over the years, some documented, some not. Many have tried to reinvent the "wheel", but it usually boils down to the same wheel is still the same old wheel just different treads....
Marvin
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IM NOT TRYING TO COPY ANYBODY'S CALL SOME CALLS THAT IVE BOUGHT AND SEE , IVE BEEN TRYING TO MAKE MY OWN , $$$$ YES I NEVER MESSED WITH A LATHE AND DIDNT KNOW WHAT TOOLS TO USE , IVE HAD A COUPLE OF WELL KNOWN CALL MAKERS TELL ME WHAT I NEED TO HAVE AND SOME BASIC MEASUREMENTS TO GO BY . WHEN I FIGURED OUT WHAT TOOLS TO USE I STOPED BUSTING UP SOME WOOD NOW IM TRYING TO GET THE SOUND THAT I WANT TO BEST MATCH THE SOUND OF HENS THAT IVE LISTENED TOO , I MADE A CALL THAT WORKED REALY WELL BUT I WAS SOOOOO AGGRAVATED WHEN I WAS MAKING IT , STARTED OUT 3.5" AND ENDED UP 3" SIZE CALL AND DURING DEAR SEASON I TOOK IT WITH ME AND WHEN I SAW SOME TURKEYS ON SIDE OF THE ROAD RUNNING AWAY AND THIS CALL BROUHT 'M BACK ,, THE CALL SOUNDED REAL SWEET .... I WHENT BACK TO MAKING 3.5" CALLS NOT LIKING THE SOUND BUT MY FRIENDS DO , I DONT . AND IM FAVORING THE 3 1/4" And 3" CALLS I THINK THE ROLL OVER AT THE END OF THE YELPS IS ALOT BETTER IN THESE SIZES ... YES IVE SPENT ALOT OF REAL NICE DOMESTIC WOOD .. THIS IS AND CAN BE EXPENSIVE BUT FUN AND EXCITING TO SEE WHAT U END UP WITH ... IM STUBBORN AND WHEN I MAKE UP MY MIND THAT I WANT SOMETHING I WILL GET IT .......... THIS IS THE BEST FORUM THAT I HAVE COME ACROSS TOO GET ADVISE , THANKS :2up:
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K.Ruge I don't think any one said you were copying. I freely gave you some measurements that I know will work cause I just made the calls this year and hunted the 2 best which were the 3 1/4"ers. What I was trying to point out was I had to change several things in order to get the call working right with the dbl up sound boards. What happened was about 8 years ago I made a 3" with double sound board and it sounds great. So this spring I set off to pump some new life into a old call and make it better and at the same time different. Thats what got me playing with it so it was all fresh in my head when the subject matter came up. In the past I too would tell everyone not to use the dbl strength sound boards mainly because I didn't have a good base to begin to tell others where to start. I had one 3" call I made 8 years ago and felt it was hardly a focus by which all 3" calls should be made like :hysterical: Thats why I made several of each and kept tweaking each one to see which way the sound was headed. I actually busted the glass out of the 3" and used it for a starting point then changed things from there. Please feel free to try the dimensions I gave out earlier for a starting point and you can take it from there.
Larry