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The Art of Handcrafting Custom Game Calls => Handcrafting Custom Duck Calls => Topic started by: ganderlander on February 21, 2008, 09:29:01 PM
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I was wondering what echo charges per insert for callmakers. Also are they any cheaper for larger orders. Any info would be great. Also does anyone else use these inserts with their barrels.
thanks
Matt
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I use them, and they're $6 each, I'm pretty sure. (Price just went up on Jan 1). I've never hit another price tier if there is one.
You've got 4 choices:
single timber (for some reason, this is the only model you can get in clear)
double timber
single open
double open (this is the one my friends prefer)
Your color choices are green, smoke and bourbon.
Just give them a call, and they'll get you lined up quick. Great guys to work with. They've got great goose call inserts to work with too (clear or black)
Parker
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By the way, welcome to the site bud! :D
(And I'll tell you up front, I'm first and foremost a turkey call maker. I've expanded to making other kinds of calls because my customers have asked me to. I don't call myself a duck call maker, and generally don't even tell people I make duck calls until they ask about them. True custom duck call makers, that make their own tone boards, will shun you for using ECHO inserts. I had to learn the hard way by posting pictures other places and getting slammed by custom duck call makers and collectors. Just wanted to give you the heads-up since I saw you're just getting started.)
(And you WON'T be slammed here for posting pictures of duck calls with ECHO inserts here, I'll see to it. ;) ;D ) (I wanna see 'em.)
Parker
Here's one of my latest sad attempts at calling myself a custom duck call maker using an ECHO insert. ;D
(http://www.missouri-whitetails.com/data/500/138dollar_dollar_bills.jpg)
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Hey Parker, a couple of things. I went to what I thought was the Echo site and could not find anything about their inserts. Can you post a link? Thanks.
Hey, the duck call picture I can see, so it must have something to do with the way it was posted. What did you do differently on this posting vs. the other posting that I was having problems with?
Lastly, that is a good looking duck call. Not being a duck call maker my self, I am looking for someplace to buy the inserts, for the same reason. I have some off Al's site that I have been using. Also you must get your background at the same store that I do. ;D
(http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d169/alpenliter/cocojack3.jpg)
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You guys floating a lot of 100 dollar bills around here - If I had a 100 bucks, I would go buy something for the shop LOL
Ask the significant other ;D
As for poly inserts - you post all the pics you want of them. THe THO Mffia will not allow bashing of anyones stuff - We may be old, but we're sneaky - Age and treachery will always overcome youth and skill ;D
AL @ THO
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You'll just have to look at the contact information here:
http://www.echocalls.com/contactus.html
They don't talk about selling them on their website. Pick your poison from the combos in my first reply to this thread. If you make an order, do it over the phone. Be prepared with what you want to order before you call, because they're always VERY busy folks. There's a lot of demand for their products.
Shipping is like 9 bucks I think, so buy quite a few at a time.
Here's the insert colors available (besides clear in the single timber: smoke, green and bourbon
(Al, that dollar bill in that photo isn't really mine. I just hold on to it for a day from my employer before I hand it to my mortgage company. ::) )
Parker
(http://www.missouri-whitetails.com/data/500/poly_insert_colors_on_english_calls.jpg)
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:)
I feel your pain.
AL @ THO
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Let me tell you guys, there is no shame in using Echo inserts!! Rick makes some of the best sounding calls in the world! I have an Echo timber on my lanyard at all times, and probably blow it more than mine. If you decide to start making your own boards, Ricks sound is a good one to try and emulate (big word I learned from my word a day thing in my e-mail) ;D Shawn
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Well I have a little problem with purchasing the inserts. I have never hunted ducks, so when he says a timber, open water, etc, I just don't know what the heck he is talking about. It that a different sound for different kinds of ducks? I know there are mallards, sprigs, teals, etc, but don't know squat about the different sounds they make. I have to make a few duck calls for family members and just don't know what I am suppose to be getting to make them happy. Some insight would be appreciated. Thanks.
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Open Water Calls are great for longer distances when hunting on big lakes or open fields. These calls generate a ringing hail call that will attract ducks at several hundred yards. They are also very raspy, which is what you want when the ducks are far off. The Open Water Calls can also be blown softly when the ducks are in close. Timber Calls are designed especially for close in calling. In my opinion, the Open Water Call is your best all around call. Also, in my opinion, the only difference between the single and doulble reed is that the double reed tends to be a little easier to blow and produce a good sound. In addition, the doulble reed call is less likely to stick when wet, which is what it will be most of the time.
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Ditto what Bubba said! Braz, get a couple of each set up in single and double reed. They come pretuned so you can just let your customer decide which he would prefer. I love my single reed timber from Rick, but I hunt flooded timber and small holes mostly. If your buddies hunt flooded rice they will more than likely want the open water version. Shawn
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And if you are familiar with Northern Natzifornia, flooded rice is practically all the duck hunting. Sure, there are other areas, but predominately the rice fields. So Open Water it will be. I'm not in a hurry now as duck season is over, but I do want to get some to play with before too long. Thanks for the heads up guys.
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Speaking about the Echo inserts here is a duck and goose call out of chestnut wood that is over 60 years old and the duck call has a Echo insert. I've been playing with call's for a few months now and its getting kinda addictive now......... Al
(http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd33/Skegman/AlvinHunting548.jpg)
(http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd33/Skegman/AlvinHunting549.jpg)
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Good looking work Skeg ;D Welcome to the site!
Feel free to show us some more of your work!
Parker
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I like those, very nice. That chestnut is good looking stuff. Of course the turner had nothing to do with the calls looking great. ;D
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Hey, thanks for the warm welcome here are a few more duck calls with the Echo inserts. soon I will be learning how to cut my own but for now I use echo.
The first one is Tulip wood, middle is Rose wood, last is Cherry wood.
The second picture is a goose call that is all oak with a CA finish that AL had put on his site as a tutorial, man his method works great .... now I just have to learn how to take pictures better.........Thanks again ..... AL
(http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd33/Skegman/AlvinHunting557.jpg)
(http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd33/Skegman/AlvinHunting554.jpg)
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Those are sure good lookiing calls. It sure makes me want to get some of those Echo inserts and try putting some calls together.
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I wanted to say thanks for all the info. I also was wondering if anyone knew how to get ahold of the guy who makes turn4fun mandrels. Any info would be great thanks.
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From everything I've read, turn4fun is MIA. I think he's overloaded himself with work, and rather than send out a blanket response to everyone telling them this, he just has not been getting back with anyone.
Parker
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Here is a recent post from Shawn at turn4fun at CCO.
http://www.customcalls.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1200861846/0#0
and I did recently see some of his mandrels on ebay.
If you can't get ahold of Sean through pm over at CCO, here is another source for those types of mandrels
http://www.flinthillscalls.com/Mandrels.html
There is a huge debate on who created this type of mandrel first between those two guys. It gets into an ugly debate every once in a while over at CCO as well.
I've got one of each - 1 from turn4fun and 1 from Flinthills. They aren't identical, but really close. Both have their good points, and both are good mandrels.
Brian
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I have a 5/8" expandable mandral on a #2MT and a 3/4" straight expandable mandral, both from Flint hill. The #2MT needs a draw bar to run by itself. The straight one works great in the PSI knock off chuck system similar to the Beale system. I am going to order one each of the straight in 1/2" and 5/8". They can really come in handy.
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Awesome calls and I like the inserts too :).I have been using Echo inserts in some of my calls along with the ones from Grassy Creek.I like the way they look and sound.I also make my own and have found that to be an experience in itself :o ;D.Anyway,Skegman,I love the chestnut.I have some wormy chestnut that a fellow gave me that is over 100 years old :o.Some pretty stuff.have made a few barrels from it so far and it turned out great.Enjoied the pics everyone ;) :).
Timber
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I know there is a reason you might want a timber call and an open water call, but I just go with a mix of single and double reed open water and tell them not to blow it louder than they want it! Of course, If I was charging good money, I may have to cater a bit more. I also tell anyone I give a call too where they can find other inserts if they want to fuss with it. I hunt rice fileds and open bays so I , personaly,have never heard a duck call that was too loud for me. We SCREAM at em down here on the Texas Gulf Coast. But we don't blind call.... ; D