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Offline Shane at S.P. Custom Calls

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At my WITS END with CA HELP!!!
« on: January 23, 2012, 09:09:19 PM »
I have worked on the finish for 2 days. Alot of my calls are like this but I put them to the side. I have followed KCs video. I put 12 coats on and started with 1000 grit up to 2000. Then put on the buffer. I went back and tried with 1000 up to 2000 again. It got down to the bare wood in some places but I just wanted to get a pic. This white stuff starts appearing when I dry off the call. If anyone knows why this is doing this please help.    Thanks   Shane


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Re: At my WITS END with CA HELP!!!
« Reply #1 on: January 23, 2012, 09:16:58 PM »
It might be a combination of not enough coats of CA and heavy handedness... I've been known to sand through 20 layers of CA when I get in a hurry and lean on the paper too much.

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Re: At my WITS END with CA HELP!!!
« Reply #2 on: January 23, 2012, 09:21:19 PM »
Donnie I went back and tried to do it again. The white flakey stuff is what Im getting. I know it was going to get to bare wood in some places when I tried it again. I just wanted a pic of the white stuff before I sanded the CA off.
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Re: At my WITS END with CA HELP!!!
« Reply #3 on: January 23, 2012, 09:28:16 PM »
Start with 1200 and use plenty of water.  If it dries out any, I'll get that.  I don't dry the call until I pass 1500.  If i generate too much heat (and it doesn't take much) that's the same ting I was getting. Also, let the paper do the sanding, don't force it. I was working on one today, and got impatient, paper dried out, and I created the dried ca powder stuck on the call.  Hope it helps

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Re: At my WITS END with CA HELP!!!
« Reply #4 on: January 23, 2012, 09:32:40 PM »
One quick question though: what are u sanding ur call to before u start applying the ca?
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Re: At my WITS END with CA HELP!!!
« Reply #5 on: January 23, 2012, 09:33:18 PM »
Hey Shane if you don't  get it figured out give me a call and I will help you out. After this weekend duck season will be over and we can get together and work on some calls. I will help you out on the ca

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Re: At my WITS END with CA HELP!!!
« Reply #6 on: January 23, 2012, 09:36:56 PM »
I start at 600 and go to 2000.
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Re: At my WITS END with CA HELP!!!
« Reply #7 on: January 23, 2012, 09:37:33 PM »
Are you using accelerator? 12 coats is a lot of coats. Are you giving the last coat a little longer to dry before applying the next coat? If not I found that if my coats are too heavy I needed to allow more drying time. Also the thin CA is much easier for me to work with. You just want light coats. It will build for you.

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Re: At my WITS END with CA HELP!!!
« Reply #8 on: January 23, 2012, 09:40:21 PM »
Hamer- I let it air dry. If its not dry before anothr coat will that cause the white build up?
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Re: At my WITS END with CA HELP!!!
« Reply #9 on: January 23, 2012, 09:41:30 PM »
John sounds good.
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Re: At my WITS END with CA HELP!!!
« Reply #10 on: January 23, 2012, 09:44:12 PM »
Start sanding the bare wood in the 150-240 range, then go through ur grits up to 600 or 800.   You have to get that wood nice and smooth.  If ur ca coats are a bit rough, start at 1200, if they're smoother, 1500. Then finish with 2k.  Thats what I've gotten from all the reading, and from kc's help through pm's.  That should eliminate the spots that ca powder is catching in.
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Re: At my WITS END with CA HELP!!!
« Reply #11 on: January 23, 2012, 11:59:12 PM »
My best guess is that the white stuff is CA slurry that is created during wet sanding.  You're not doing a grain fill (a couple coats of CA applied then sanded back down to bare wood) on that porous wood, and that porosity will absolutely telegraph through each coat of CA you apply.  The slurry collects in the pores and when it dries out it shows up white.  The slurry is a good thing, it should be expected.  You just want to be able to wipe it off when you're done, and a non-porous finished surface is key to that.

Another thing that can happen with porous woods when you don't do a grain fill is the white diamond from the buffing wheel, if you use one, will collect in the pores and it is pretty much impossible to get out. 

So basically a grain fill is a good idea on porous woods.  Walnut needs it.  So does hickory.  Cocobolo doesn't.  Neither does blackwood.  And so on. 

For me, a dozen coats of medium is pretty good.  I rarely apply less than that.  That being said, sanding at 600 will eat through 12 coats in no time.  I start sanding at 1500 usually, and it isn't uncommon to sand through on an edge or contour.  If I was starting at 600 or 800 I'd be back to dipping calls out of frustration.  My advice is to dump the coarser grits and start at 1200.  If you do a halfway decent job of applying the CA, 1200 and finer is all you'll need.  And by all means get yourself some Satellite City non-cf activator and make your life easier.

I also wouldn't try to learn CA finishing on a wood that is kind of tough to finish.  Try it on a piece of dense hardwood like cocobolo, get the hang of it and you'll then have an easier time with the tougher woods.
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Re: At my WITS END with CA HELP!!!
« Reply #12 on: January 24, 2012, 05:49:09 AM »
For me what happened was if I didn't let each coat cure for a couple minutes I would get splotchy rough build up. Then like KC said I would have all that excess white slurry. Then I would just let it spin dry. Not anymore. I use thin CA, because it's easier for me, & apply 8-10 coats very quickly & never go back to try to touch it up right away. Let the next coats & the wet MicroMesh smooth it out later. I sanded back to bare wood on more than one occasion.  :rofl:  Honestly tho,, KC is "THE CA" man.  :yes: :yes:

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Re: At my WITS END with CA HELP!!!
« Reply #13 on: January 24, 2012, 06:52:51 PM »
I agree with KC.

If you are going to work with a porous wood like walnut or hickory.  I suggest using several coats of thin to fill the grain.  After several coats of thin, then switch to medium.  Apply, according to KC's tutorial, and you'll get it in no time.

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Re: At my WITS END with CA HELP!!!
« Reply #14 on: January 24, 2012, 07:23:54 PM »
KC- I start with 600 on my rough sanding on the wood. I start with 1000 on the CA. Thanks for the imput I will use it.

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